Getting ripped

I think it must have been yesterday in the morning, when I checked my emails and found several mails in my inbox — mails from people informing me about the fact that a Dutch guy has put on a website with exactly the same layout as used on Bartelme Design.

At first I didn’t think that it was a great deal, since I frequently visit sites with layouts or color schemes similar to the ones of Bartelme Design. But after following the link I was… well suprised. This guy was really using an exact copy of my fresh theme — well not the most recent version, but the one I was using about a month ago. He just replaced the lettering “Bartelme Design” with “QDesign — Jordi Dekker” in the site’s header.

Comparison of Bartelme Design and QDesign

HTML and CSS

If you take a look a the site’s source code you can see that he uses the same XHTML structure, CSS and images as on my site. He even includes the CSS files for my “Cubic” and “Rounded” themes. That’s what I call barefaced. Especially because this guy provides web design services.

I have already contacted him but I have not recieved any reply yet. Obviously he does not really care, since he has also stolen other layouts such as the one from FirstPost and applied it to Eenrum Onliney.

Inspiration

Don’t get me wrong. I know that inspiration is a big part of your daily business, and it’s an honor if my site is taken as an inspiration for other design work. For instance the tutorials published on this site are actually meant to be copied, and it’s outcome may of course be used on other websites. But what I really can’t stand are exact copies of my site’s layout. With this in mind: copy the inspiration, not the outcome.

45 comments

Perhaps his website is still under construction, and he’s using your code as a base while he learns XHTML and CSS. Or perhaps not.

Paul D

Paul: I don’t think so — you just can’t learn designing a site by taking an existing final design and working on it, it’s much too special. And he worked on the logo image, he surely wanted to use this layout… Wolfgang: Maybe you should use a Creative Commons License? For example this one: Link

Pascal

(ps: there’s a bug on links: see the code, it’s like href="…"</p> </a>, maybe it helps if you first replaced the links and then the line-breaks?)

Pascal

@Paul: do you really think that? *tztz* A shame on this guy!

Ingo

In seinen News nennt er das neue Layout ebenfalls “Fresh”. Besonders einfallsreich scheint er nicht zu sein. Frei übersetzt schreibt er: "Wie Sie sehen können, hat Qesign ein neues Layout, ‘Fresh’. Komplett in CSS entworfen, wurde besonders auf Übersichtlichkeit und Benutzerfreundlichkeit Wert gelegt. Diese Seite soll eine Art ‘Showroom’ werden, in dem alle Techniken, die Qesign ihnen bieten kann, vorgestellt werden.“ Vielleicht sollte er bei About schreiben, dass er es versteht, komplette Layouts zu kopieren und ”anzupassen" ;)

benem

Our good friends’ intentions are clear in his last post, where he writes (rough translation by Babelfish):Such as you have Qesign can see a new layout, “Fresh”. Entirely in CSS devised and special attention has been given on the overzichtelijkheid and gebruiksvriendelijkheid. This site becomes a type ’ showroom ’ in which is applied in all techniques which you can Qesign offer.Learning? I doubt.

yuanqing

Das ist einfach nur absolut dreist. Soviel ich dem niederländischen Inhalt der Seite entnehmen kann ist das sogar mehr oder weniger kommerzielle Nutzung deines Layouts. Er hat auf seiner Contact Seite Adresse und Telefonnummer, vielleicht solltest du ihn mal telefonisch bearbeiten ;) (Briefe landen so schnell im Papierkorb)

johannes

It’s definitely no learning environment. He just ripped my layout hoping that nobody would notice it. Well I think he didn’t consider the vigilance of my readership ;) Thank you.

Wolfgang

Can’t seem to find him via google (among a myriad of other “QDesign” named sites, gee must be an original name), you going to post the link Wolfgang so your fans can have vengeance? ;)

esXXI

(Sorry for the double post) The culprit is here: Link

esXXI

Hello, I’m a dutch guy visisting the Neukia.nl weblog, the people on that site discovered the copying. I’ll translate the part yuanqing tried to translate: Fresh As you can see, Qesign has a new layout, “Fresh”. Entirely designed in CSS and there had been payed special attention to “abridgementness” (I couldn’t translate that word, but it means something like this: you can easily oversee the site.) and usability. This site becomes some kind of ‘showroom’ where you can see all the techniques Qesign uses. Jordi Dekker He obviously claims he designed the site, which is more obviously not true. If you want to Wolfgang, you can sue him for violating your copyright. (© 1999–2005 Wolfgang Bartelme) I have to say, Qesign took a great design to copy, you really have a great webdesign.

Ichi

Hello, I’m a dutch guy visisting the Neukia.nl weblog, the people on that site discovered the copying. I’ll translate the part yuanqing tried to translate: Fresh As you can see, Qesign has a new layout, “Fresh”. Entirely designed in CSS and there had been payed special attention to “abridgementness” (I couldn’t translate that word, but it means something like this: you can easily oversee the site.) and usability. This site becomes some kind of ‘showroom’ where you can see all the techniques Qesign uses. Jordi Dekker He obviously claims he designed the site, which is more obviously not true. If you want to Wolfgang, you can sue him for violating your copyright. (© 1999–2005 Wolfgang Bartelme) I have to say, Qesign took a great design to copy, you really have a great webdesign.

Ichi

That’s hard… 2 days ago I found this site: Link Do you know CSSBeauty? After reporting my found to their webmaster ( Link ), PIXELEX’s guy did a few changes…

Julian

sorry about the doublepost, your Post button is weird. My browser |(Opera 8.01) says: completet request to www.bartelme.at… but somehow your site has already posted the message.

Ichi

Weird. I haven’t experienced any problems so far. Never mind the double post :)

Wolfgang

Eine Unverschämtheit von diesem Jordi

towe

Ich find sowas imma wieder schade, es passiert in letzter Zeit leider immer häufiger. Mmmh aber er scheint die Seite wieder abgesetzt zu haben, aber traurig ist es schon, ich kann zwar verstehen das Kreativität nicht erzwungen werder kann, aber einfach 1:1 kopieren ist ja auch keine Lösung. Er möchte es ja anscheinend beruflich machen und da scheint doch ein bissel Eigenkreativität gefragt zu sein, sonst würde ich mal sagen er hat den Beruf verfehlt …

Chris Wouters

@Julian I Think thats a rip of CSSBEAUTY.COM: www.supertangas.com

towe

@towe: Yes, it looks like — I’ll report ;-)

Julian

Wolfgang — have you contacted his host? Run a Whois and locate his hosting company, they tend to respond fairly quickly to this sort of thing. It happened to me a couple of months ago — really not cool. Copying a website is ~not~ a learning technique; get the code, play with it, understand it and make-your-own. You should report this to Link Best of luck, man…

Stephan Geyer

No I haven’t contacted his host, since he has already taken down the site. And I absolutely agree — just copying a web site is not the best way to get familiar with CSS.

Wolfgang

Wow, that’s pretty hardcore. The funny part is he stole a design for his DESIGN site. I wonder how much of his portfolio is stolen as well…

lol

Glad this has been resolved, Wolfgang… I guess that after this all you can feel is a deep flattered one :) Hopefully this won’t happen again very soon (im not saying forever again, your design is very cool — im sure someone else will want to rip it :P )

Stephan Geyer

Auch ich habe mich von deiner Seite inspirieren lassen, doch das, was der Qesign gemacht hat, eindeutig zu viel. Da geht es dann in deinem Fall in erster Linie um Urheberrechtsverletzung. Auch ich hatte 2001 mal einen solchen Fall bei einer meiner Seiten. Nach einer Abmahnung hat er sie geändert, ein halbes Jahr später aber wiederum online gestellt. Behalte auch du ihn mal im Auge.

macx

Hi all, Thats not really nice. I just found that there are two cracks for one of the tools I’ve written in my free time. Thats something similar but these guys additionally invested quite some time to crack my tool. Its just a strange feeling if you see cracks out there for your own programs. ;-) Cheers, Marc

Marc

Mister wolfgang: I have his address: J Dekker Dokter Posthumuslaan 16 9967 PN EENRUM Netherlands May be he likes a postcard from you ;) Good luck to catch this moron!. GREAT SITE!.

Dutch Guy

Rips like this piss me off. And unfortunately there’s no real way you can protect your hard work from worms who decide to lift it (code and all) and re-purpose it by slapping on a new logo and calling it original. The sad part is that whoever it is, is making a living off this same practice. I’ve seen a lot of this kind of plagiarism in my career and it’s never settled well with me. There’s no excuse for it.

Chris

Hey wolfgang, did you see that the site went offline? So maybe he cares about now ;-) cheers, marc

Marc

Yes, I have already noticed it. By the way yesterday I received his apology — so he really cares :)

Wolfgang

May be he don’t like a postcard from you Mister Wolfgang. ;)) In my earlier post, i gave you his house address where he lives, its checked before the post. Its now easier to catch him if you will… And keep the real good work, site is very nice comprehensive, freshy colors. Greetings from The Netherlands.

Dutch Guy

By the way I’ve just read that Manuela Hoffman’s Surfgarden has also been ripped. This whole thing is getting more and more annoying. Link

Wolfgang

Same thing happens here: Link

joferson

Not again. It seems as if ripping web sites is getting more and more popular. He even uses my Blue Crystal splash screen…

Wolfgang

I am sorry,Use your design under not getting your permission,Hope to get your consent.

Nicky

Verry nice :)

Aj_saD

I would like to say, I m using the color scheme similiar with you. I’ve asked for permission, but from Nicky only… I dunno about this site before. So i would like to ask for color scheme permission again. If you think that my site is an offence to you, plz let me know. I felt so sorry about this.

Mike

Nobody has to ask for my permission, to use the same color scheme as it is used on Bartelme Design. It’s not that unique and I’m sure that there are dozens of other web sites that have used these specific colors long before I did :)

Wolfgang

Your handling this very well.

ZicklePop

:) thx anyway

Mike

Ist ganz schön frech, was sich andere da erlauben. Da gabs doch mal so eine Seite, die solche Sachen an die große Glocke gehängt hat. Mit Vorher-Nachher-Bildern. Das wäre doch eine Möglichkeit, darauf aufmerksam zu machen. Ich schau mal, ob ich den Link finde. lG, Eric.

Eric

Link DIE hängen das z.B. an die große Glocke… :-) Scheint noch nicht genug Leute zu geben, die Derartiges dort an die große Glocke hängen… ^^

Dwayne

Ich würd mal sagen: Oft kopiert aber nie erreicht

Martin

Das hört man natürlich immer gern :)

Wolfgang

Jep, ripperhunting.com Hab ich in der c’t gelesen. Auch ein Forum gibts für solche Sachen: pirated-sites.com. Vielleicht ist ja was dabei. lG, Eric.

Eric

You should not even be concerned with that guy. Creative people with talent can always make new, make more, make grand creations. Imitators, Replicators, and Duplicators will always be somewhere in the background chasing you. It happens to all talented people and frankly, its the most irritating compliment. But yes, get some sort of copyright!!! -----

Reginald Goodridge

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